I have a lot of "Inconclusive validation" on my Win11.

8978446
8023187
etc
The strange part is that the wu is valid!! And that is "still not approved".
Seems a "validation pending" situation, but why "inconclusive validation" message??

Server status Finished
Result Success
Client status Finished
Exit State 0 (0x00000000)
Validation Controled, but still not approved

I have a lot of "Inconclusive validation" on my Win11.

It is quite normal, though I don't remember the distinction between "inconclusive" and "invalid".
https://quchempedia.univ-angers.fr/athome/results.php?hostid=9340

But it is due to how the science operates. You can't determine upfront which results will come out valid.

It is quite normal, though I don't remember the distinction between "inconclusive" and "invalid".

Inconclusive tasks turn into valid if the results of at least one wingman match yours. However, it can happen that all the tasks relating to the same workunit are inconclusive and a couple of matching results (=valid tasks) is not found either.
Invalid tasks are definitely wrong or useless.

Invalid tasks are definitely wrong or useless.

Not quite correct either. It tells the researchers that the initial starting points do not produce valid results.
That is useful information, and part of what they are trying to find.

Not quite correct either. It tells the researchers that the initial starting points do not produce valid results.
That is useful information, and part of what they are trying to find.

Yeah, I know what you mean.
Scientists can get useful information even from failures, that's the most important thing here.
We volunteers get 0 credits from invalid tasks as well.

But check this https://quchempedia.univ-angers.fr/athome/workunit.php?wuid=3014719 out.

4 inconclusive results
2 validate errors
1 aborted
1 unsent (and nothing to say that it will be resent as it's a 301 series task and we are at 305 series)
So burned a bunch of CPU time for a dead task. Nice. [heavy sarcasm][/url]

So burned a bunch of CPU time for a dead task. Nice. [heavy sarcasm]

Yes, I know. That is a very common situation.

I asked some time ago whether they could not reduce the number of work units before they declare it an "invalid".
But apparently they need that many results to ensure that it is in fact invalid.

I still expect that they could cut it down to maybe five (I think the "aborted" does not count).
After that, I have never seen one that turns our "valid". But I don't see the overall statistics either. The project admin does.

So burned a bunch of CPU time for a dead task. Nice. [heavy sarcasm]

Yes, I know. That is a very common situation.

I asked some time ago whether they could not reduce the number of work units before they declare it an "invalid".
But apparently they need that many results to ensure that it is in fact invalid.

I still expect that they could cut it down to maybe five (I think the "aborted" does not count).
After that, I have never seen one that turns our "valid". But I don't see the overall statistics either. The project admin does.

But look, the max results is 10
They got a bunch of invalids and inconclusives.
So since they have not reached the max results, then shouldn't it be sent out again?
Now some 200 tasks or more later it still sits unsent and I lose credit.
Really good work.

ok new problem...

NWChem needs 3868.06MB more disk space. You currently have 227.98 MB available and it needs 4096.03 MB

C: is not even close to full. Still 97 GB free
BOINC and its projects have free reign. There are no restrictions on disk space.
The drive is not partitioned.

Only windows and programs plus BOINC are stored on C.
Long term deep storage is on a physical drive.

So what kind of nonsense message is this?

This is default settings.
Use no more than 100 GB
Leave at least 2 GB free
Use no more than 100 % of total

BOINC data folder (projects etc) is 47.9GB and the program folder is only 50.2KB
Drive is 208 GB
If a task needs more than 90GB of disk space, then its really out of control!

curious issue...

curious issue...

It has not repeated and I can not find the task that this came up on and notices have cleared out that message. So I can not tell you what task that was. Seems to be a one time thing.

I joined 2 days ago, meanwhile I have attached 3 of my computers to the project.
What catches my eye are these many "inconclusives" - about a fourth of the tasks. In none of the projects I have been part of so far I have seen that many "inconclusives".

I now looked up other members' contributions and noticed that in some cases there were only a few "inconclusives", in other cases quite a lot, more than half of the tasks.
So the success of a task seems to depend on the individual computer.

Question: will the "inconclusive" status of a task ever change, or will it stay like this forever?

I now looked up other members' contributions and noticed that in some cases there were only a few "inconclusives", in other cases quite a lot, more than half of the tasks.
So the success of a task seems to depend on the individual computer.

Question: will the "inconclusive" status of a task ever change, or will it stay like this forever?

I have a lot. I have used different machines and different OS, but always end up with a lot eventually. It really just depends on how long you have been doing them.
https://quchempedia.univ-angers.fr/athome/results.php?userid=31&offset=0&show_names=0&state=3&appid=

See the post by Luigi R. They should change to either "valid" or "invalid" at some point.
To get some idea, just click on each work unit to see how many crunchers are in that state also. The older they are, the more there will be.
(If they validate early, then there won't be so many machines still working on them.)

there is another interesting phenomenon:

the three computers to which I have so far attached this project have quite different generations of CPUs:

the oldest one is an Intel i3-3110M CPU @ 2.40GHz - this one produces the least inconclusives
then comes: Intel i5-6300U CPU @ 2.40GHz - this one produces a few more inconclusives
last not least: AMD Ryzen 5 4500U @ 2.30GHz - this is the one with clearly the most inconclusives

is this coincidence only, or could it be the case that the better the CPU the more inconclusives come out? Would be crazy, wouldn't it?

is this coincidence only, or could it be the case that the better the CPU the more inconclusives come out? Would be crazy, wouldn't it?

It isn't how fast the CPU's are, just how many work units they have processed. When you first attach a machine, all the processed work units will initially be "inconclusive". Some will show "valid" early, as soon as they are validated by a wingman. Others will take longer, as with any validation scheme, until a wingman processes them. But some will never be validated, and will show up as "invalid". But that can take a long time, because it takes something like ten invalids before the work unit is marked as "invalid".

Most (maybe 80%) of the work units end up being validated, but the others never make it. The problem for the crunchers is that they allow so many tries (about 10) before they give up, so it takes a long time. It gives a distorted impression of what is happening.

My inconclusives are coming from people somehow completing tasks in 3 seconds.

https://quchempedia.univ-angers.fr/athome/show_host_detail.php?hostid=9823
https://quchempedia.univ-angers.fr/athome/show_host_detail.php?hostid=10848

My inconclusives are coming from people somehow completing tasks in 3 seconds.

One of them is running BOINC 7.18.1, which I know does not work (I have posted on it).
And the other is running BOINC 7.16.17, which probably has the same problem.

My Linux Virtual Machine runs SuSE Tumbleweed and, BOINC 7.18.1. Both nwchem and Einstein@home CPU tasks run on it.
Tullio

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