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Message 608 - Posted: 24 Feb 2020, 17:43:47 UTC
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Dear Crunchers.

The latest tests for long units (a few dozen hours) are conclusive with a good success rate. I don't plan to put this application in a VM for Windows and Mac, short units are already enough of a problem. The "NWChem Long" application will therefore come out of its beta phase soon. If you don't want to get these units that can last really long, don't forget to update your preferences.

Thank you for your help and your patience which allowed us to find good parameters.

Sincerely,
Benoit
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Message 611 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 13:18:34 UTC - in response to Message 608.  

So, no long for Windows.
I need a linux machine :-P
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Message 612 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 16:01:44 UTC - in response to Message 611.  

So, no long for Windows.
I need a linux machine :-P


Or, I can put a VM for Windows in beta only ?
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Message 614 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 17:19:54 UTC - in response to Message 612.  

This Windows cruncher would be happy to work on some of those tasks, beta or otherwise.
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Message 615 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 19:10:46 UTC - in response to Message 614.  

So would the Linux crunchers. There aren't any.
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Message 616 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 20:28:57 UTC

Instead of producing WU, it woul be better first to solve the problems !!!
On the same host, some WU runs into 1 or 2 hours, others stays at 100% after 10 hours !
The worst is that some WU (same host of course) take 4 hours , others take one hour and for the same credit (200)
And some needs only 30 minuts to run !
So please solve it or change CR system.
Fropm now, on all my hosts, each WU above two hours are cancelled.
It is not the goal of project, but I will not monopolyze my cores for nothing
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Message 618 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 21:09:51 UTC - in response to Message 616.  
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Instead of producing WU, it woul be better first to solve the problems !!!
On the same host, some WU runs into 1 or 2 hours, others stays at 100% after 10 hours !
The worst is that some WU (same host of course) take 4 hours , others take one hour and for the same credit (200)
And some needs only 30 minuts to run !
So please solve it or change CR system.
Fropm now, on all my hosts, each WU above two hours are cancelled.
It is not the goal of project, but I will not monopolyze my cores for nothing


It's not a problem to be solved. These Calculations are unpredictable by nature. I've already talked a lot about it on the forum. The fixed credit is much more advantageous for the participants in average. (200 credit for 1.5 hours per core in average)

all your messages here are to complain in a disrespectful way. I don't give a shit about the credits and I've already spent way too much time on it, testing multiple systems. If for you it prevails over scientific research, just quit !
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Message 619 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 21:13:57 UTC - in response to Message 611.  

So, no long for Windows.
I need a linux machine :-P

If you have a Windows machine you can have a linux machine !
It is very easy to have them dual boot and you choose which you want.
If you want to make it even simpler just get a cheap/small SSD and put linux on that, it doesn't take a lot of disk space.
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Message 620 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 21:26:21 UTC - in response to Message 615.  

So would the Linux crunchers. There aren't any.

Some longs have appeared. Thank you.
My attitude on credits is the same as yours. But I never look at them, and don't know if they are good or bad.
Problem solved.
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Message 622 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 21:53:14 UTC - in response to Message 619.  

If you have a Windows machine you can have a linux machine !

I have a linux virtualbox machine
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Message 623 - Posted: 25 Feb 2020, 21:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 622.  

If you have a Windows machine you can have a linux machine !

I have a linux virtualbox machine

Native linux is better and more stable !
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Message 626 - Posted: 26 Feb 2020, 14:43:47 UTC - in response to Message 623.  

Native linux is better and more stable !

I know. The problem is the hw. I have only a Windows machine...
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Message 627 - Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 2:44:40 UTC - in response to Message 618.  
Last modified: 27 Feb 2020, 3:31:32 UTC

Instead of producing WU, it woul be better first to solve the problems !!!
On the same host, some WU runs into 1 or 2 hours, others stays at 100% after 10 hours !
The worst is that some WU (same host of course) take 4 hours , others take one hour and for the same credit (200)
And some needs only 30 minuts to run !
So please solve it or change CR system.
Fropm now, on all my hosts, each WU above two hours are cancelled.
It is not the goal of project, but I will not monopolyze my cores for nothing


It's not a problem to be solved. These Calculations are unpredictable by nature. I've already talked a lot about it on the forum. The fixed credit is much more advantageous for the participants in average. (200 credit for 1.5 hours per core in average)

all your messages here are to complain in a disrespectful way. I don't give a shit about the credits and I've already spent way too much time on it, testing multiple systems. If for you it prevails over scientific research, just quit !


Two thumbs up! Best to ignore the whiners rather than to acknowledge them.

Got some of the long ones and will give them a try.

Good luck. Cheers!

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Message 628 - Posted: 27 Feb 2020, 17:47:53 UTC

available for Windows:

Application
NWChem long 0.11 (vbox64_t1)
Name
BTXv2_athome_b3lyp-321gd_long,batch08,000001341,nwchem_long,1582660197
State
Running
Received
27/02/2020 20:21:27
Report deadline
27/05/2020 20:21:27
Estimated computation size
500,000 GFLOPs
CPU time
00:23:30
CPU time since checkpoint
00:08:26
Elapsed time
00:24:21
Estimated time remaining
2d 03:01:21
Fraction done
0.789%
Virtual memory size
60.23 MB
Working set size
2.00 GB
Directory
slots/0
Process ID
5552
Progress rate
1.800% per hour
Executable
vboxwrapper_26200_windows_x86_64.exe
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Message 641 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 19:56:07 UTC - in response to Message 618.  

Hello Admin,
are you sure there are no any problems with your WU !?
All was running fine till 25 feb. Now, all Windows WU report crash of VM or CPU without VM capacity (or disable).
I7-2600K, I7-3830K (both Win7 x64, Ryzen9-3900X (Win10-x64)
All with at least 16GbRAM
All could crunch till 25fev. (As joke : probably the VM extension on CPU and BIOS were programmed to stop working !)

It is not disrespectfull from me. There are a lot of people who have problems.
Look only one of the biggest cruncher on earth. I has power, serious computing knownledge, he also complaint
Already three teams founder complaints too.

I have follow all recommandations on my Win10, Very attentive to all screenshots on all tuto.
IT not works.

We are all wrong. Let me allow to remeber your post of october 2019 where you wrote there are some problems.
Also your post on 07jan20 10:18:24 UTC, where you suggest to abort all WU !

Complaints comes from everywhere, and we are all wrong.
All of us are here to help reserach, and also competition.between team (all benefits for you)
You can (I prefer) answer by private message in french (our native language)
With respect
Philippe




Instead of producing WU, it woul be better first to solve the problems !!!
On the same host, some WU runs into 1 or 2 hours, others stays at 100% after 10 hours !
The worst is that some WU (same host of course) take 4 hours , others take one hour and for the same credit (200)
And some needs only 30 minuts to run !
So please solve it or change CR system.
Fropm now, on all my hosts, each WU above two hours are cancelled.
It is not the goal of project, but I will not monopolyze my cores for nothing


It's not a problem to be solved. These Calculations are unpredictable by nature. I've already talked a lot about it on the forum. The fixed credit is much more advantageous for the participants in average. (200 credit for 1.5 hours per core in average)

all your messages here are to complain in a disrespectful way. I don't give a shit about the credits and I've already spent way too much time on it, testing multiple systems. If for you it prevails over scientific research, just quit !
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Message 642 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 21:29:23 UTC - in response to Message 641.  

Hello Admin,
are you sure there are no any problems with your WU !?
All was running fine till 25 feb. Now, all Windows WU report crash of VM or CPU without VM capacity (or disable).
I7-2600K, I7-3830K (both Win7 x64, Ryzen9-3900X (Win10-x64)

Now problem here with my Win10 machine (I7-4710MQ) with Long wus.
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Message 643 - Posted: 2 Mar 2020, 21:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 641.  

I'm not an admin, only my opinion and experience. This is not a problem with WUs.
All last WU's successfully finished, including long.
Only one difference i can suggest: the Virtualbox version.
I have 5.2.8r121009 with no extension pack. Removed this extension a few days ago.
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Message 645 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 13:29:03 UTC

Hello,

Please look my host 956, i7-2600K-Virtualisation Bios enable-Win7Ult x64.
All the WU ends in error : VM requires acceleration but the config can not support it !!!
Host details "Virtualbox installed.......... but disabled " !!!.
Can someone tell me, where inside Windows7 we can enable/disable virtualization ?


OK so far, but please look host 1764 : it is a virtual machine mounted on host 956, running Linux on one core, 10Gb virtualdisk.
I repeat, on host 956, with the VB given by Boinc
And it works ! Look WU 859617 or 855793 who ran successfully.

Strange on a computer with virtual "disabled"

It only seems that there are problems with the WU under Win.

The only solution : install virtual machine !
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Message 646 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 13:40:45 UTC

NWChem long queue is empty, no units to download.

Is it planned to add more wus?

Thanks!
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Message 648 - Posted: 3 Mar 2020, 15:08:17 UTC - in response to Message 646.  

NWChem long queue is empty, no units to download.

Is it planned to add more wus?

Thanks!


We need more computational power on the short WU, but I have a lot of long WU available.
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